A recent comment to my entry entitled Dual Survival — “Up the River” identified the area of the supposed map they used for their Kentucky river survival scenes.
It’s not even in Kentucky.
Every episode of Dual Survivor starts with a disclaimer:
This program depicts a survival scenario. Due to the extreme danger, Dave and Cody receive support when they are in potentially threatening situations, as required by health and safety regulations. On some occasions, situations are presented to Dave and Cody so they can demonstrate survival techniques.
Emphasis added. The more I watch, the more I am convinced that it is more than just “on some occasions” and “situations”. I’m beginning to think the whole thing is more or less scripted in advance.
They are quite upfront about how each show starts. Dave and Cody are put into a situation in which they kind of take over from the original “victims”. They find the location of the incident, and find equipment that those “victims” might have had on them. That is all above board, and does a nice job of setting up each episode.
But the map, I think, shows just how scripted the show is.
This particular show was shot near Hilltop and Yamacraw, KY along the Cumberland River. Here’s a topo map of the area:
Yet, here’s the map they showed us of the supposed route the kayakers they were substituting for were using:
You can see the put-in and take-out points, and get a good look at the curves of the stream. Their whole supposed strategy was based on this map, but it does not match at all.
Here’s the real topo map that matches their map:
I’ve added the put-in and take-out points onto the official topo map.
That is White Oak Creek. It is near the town of Rugby, in Tennessee, about 25 miles as the crow flies from Yamacraw. White Oak Creek empties into Clear Fork, which later empties into the Cumberland.
Oh, and it also flows from south to north, so if somebody had put in at the put-in point and took out at the take-out point, they would have had to magically float “up the river”. So I guess the show name was a hint. 🙂
It is also interesting that the map was folded right where it was at the top. Because if it showed more, we would see where White Oak Creek empties into Clear Fork:
I should add that I still like the show. I think both Cody and Dave do a good job of presenting survival skills, and do so quite accurately. But they are being forced to do so in a set-up that is a lot more scripted than we are led to believe. There is not the “occasional” situation that is presented. The whole show seems to be a pre-scripted situation, with occasional smaller internal situations.
I mentioned the perfect boat cover in my earlier blog entry. I’m also now suspicious of Cody’s failure to make a fire with the bow drill. We all know Cody is a Fire God — how could he have failed? My guess is that that was a “situation” so that Cody could demonstrate filling a plastic bag with leaves as insulation so that he could survive the night.
So, my bottom line? Great show; great survival information. Just realize that it really isn’t a “reality show” and that the scripting is probably more than you think.
For real “reality” survival, I still think Survivorman is the epitome. No camera crew; no “situations” presented. Just real survival.
This program includes camera shots from multiple angles. I’m guessing they have a substantial production crew with them. The men are “depicting” the dire situations as well as the survival methods. My personal goal in watching is that I might learn a few ideas for survival so that, in the future, when I again become homeless (not “if,” but “when”), I may be able to improvise. I don’t care whether the guys’ situations are real as long as the methods they demonstrate are real. If there were any reasons to criticize the program, I would prefer to have someone check on this focus: Do their demonstrated techniques (and logic) actually work? Are they real? If I can glean from it, would it actually help me? Or, is it just done for the sake of entertainment?
I agree with marlene brown, above, including the reason I watch the show. (Plus, of course, for entertainment.) Regarding that element, maybe survivorman and stroud are the most “real deal” in this arena, but that show is also the least entertaining / most boring, and I’m pretty sure Discovery knows it. (I have heard a number of others echo this sentiment as well, so I know I’m not alone on this.) Apparently realistic survival isn’t all that exciting. Then again, I suspect that’s the impetus for Dual Survival in the first place– two guys means dialogue, and two very different guys means conflict. Both of these things equal entertainment and/or ratings (in theory).
What really does blow my mind, however, is the fact that a lot of people out there DON’T seem to understand, from the start, just how staged and scripted these shows are. It’s quite baffling– and it’s apparently to such a degree that some people seem to feel tricked, or betrayed that the TELEVISION SHOW they’re watching, involves a plan and some kind of script, rather than just handing a couple guys a camera / cameraman and saying “have fun, boys!” From a production standpoint, that makes no sense.
Sorry to burst your Survivorman bubble, but he’s just a big a fake as all the rest: http://backcountrypost.com/forum/threads/ticaboo-creek-aka-survivorman-is-a-fake.2818/
Sigh. That is really disappointing. (I looked through the article, and some of the articles linked from there, with comparison screen shots.)
Cody and Dave both have their own thing going on but i never see any of Cody’s vids on you tube whereas Dave has a bunch on there to teach a lot about self reliance and survival.
Man, if you watch the newer episodes, you see what they mean by scenarios are being given to them. For example, a biker being stranded with no fuel. or the archaeologist episode in Mexico. Of course they have a camera crew, but if you watch the behind the scenes episode, you can see that it’s pretty fucking legit. The thing that gets me, though, is that you act like you expect them to let the guys die if they get bit by something. Of course they have satellite walkie-talkies, it’s Hollywood, and they aren’t going to let two stars die in some foreign jungle. Hell, Joe’s Spec Ops and Cody was a college professor. What did you expect? It’s like when people freak out because Bear Grylls is fake. He was pitching things, showing you how to survive if, God forbid, you end up stranded in the Serengeti. He was never actually surviving. Here, however, they HAVE to be surviving. Off the grid, in a desert, or a jungle, or an island. Also, how do we know you aren’t just saying it’s fake? Sure, I could look it up, and I probably will, but that’s one scenario. You pitch it like the whole show is fake.
Yes, except half the time if you do what Bear Grylls tells you in that show, you’re probably gonna end up dead by day two.
Drinking water straight from a creek because “it looks clear and runs fast, so it’s good to go”?
Come on, survival 101 for god’s sake.